Dates:
1796 to July 27 1872
Parents:
Thomas and Honora England
Children:
None
Elizabeth (Mary?) was baptised on the 8-11-1796 and the sponsors were Richard Shea and Alice Stack.
She entered The Presentation Order of nuns in Gerald Griffin St, Cork on 21st Nov 1811, aged 15, and took the religious name of Sister Catherine of Sienna on October 6th 1812. On November 21st 1814, aged 17, she made her final vows.
Guilday wrote that Sister Catherine held the position of Superioress Of The North Presentation Convent from 1820 to 1826 and from 1829 to 1835. If true that would make her the leader of the convent at the age of twenty four!
The Annals of the North Presentation Convent reported that she was "well versed in Spanish, Greek, Latin, French and German." They also mention that in September 1834 there was the probability of Sister Catherine going to Charleston.
The Presentation Sisters might not have gone to Charleston but some Ursuline nuns, after meeting with Bishop England, did. They arrived with him in Philadelphia on November 11th, 1834.
Sister Catherine became Superioress of the associated North Presentation convent in Cork again in 1838, aged 42, and on the 18th of May 1844 she resigned.[1]
Guilday[2] talked about a Mary being the sister of Bishop John but no record of baptism can be found for a Mary England with Thomas England and Honora Lordan as parents. Gwen England, in her family book, called this child Mary Elizabeth - so confusion all round!
Historical context
The Presentation Order of nuns was founded by Nano (Honora) Nagle who was born in Ballygriffin, near Killavullen. It is a teaching order and the nuns can still be found world-wide. Nano Nagle was declared Venerable by Pope Francis on the 31st October 2013.
Footnotes
[1] Information from the archives of the Presentation Order.
[2] Guilday Peter: Life and Times of John England, Volume 1, 1927
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Thomas and Honora England: Eighth Child...Richard England
Dates
1798 to ?
Parents
Thomas and Honora England
Children
?
Nothing is really known about Richard as there are no records linking Richard to Thomas and Honora except his baptism 8-3-1798 at St. Mary's Cork, sponsors: J [unclear] Finkney [unclear] and Mary Mahony.
Possible links to Richard
There is a possible connection to the townland of Bonagortbaun. An Ellen, Edward and Richard England were mentioned together in The Primary Valuation Of Tenants Residence 1853 in Bonagortbaun which is in the parish of Bourney, Tipperary. These names are also names of three of Thomas and Honora's children which is quite a coincidence. Ellen and Edward (born 1794) were twins remember, and Richard, as featured here, followed Elizabeth who became a nun. This leaves the three - Edward, Ellen and Richard - close together in age and needing to live by their own means.
If the three named in Bonagortbaun are Thomas and Honora's children it signifies a move to Tipperary away from Cork. This possible link to Tipperary might be significant as Guilday[1] says that Thomas hailed from Tipperary originally. We know Thomas had siblings but don't know anything about them - not even their names - so could this move signify a return to be near their Tipperary cousins? So far we have not been able to establish a clear link to any Tipperary Englands. [2]
A Margaret England was baptised on the 11-4-1824 at St. Audoen, Dublin. The father was a Richard England and the mother, a Cathne? [unclear] [Catherine?]
1796 to July 27 1872
Parents:
Thomas and Honora England
Children:
None
Elizabeth (Mary?) was baptised on the 8-11-1796 and the sponsors were Richard Shea and Alice Stack.
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| South Presentation Convent (L) and Church [from www.corkcity.ie] |
She entered The Presentation Order of nuns in Gerald Griffin St, Cork on 21st Nov 1811, aged 15, and took the religious name of Sister Catherine of Sienna on October 6th 1812. On November 21st 1814, aged 17, she made her final vows.
Guilday wrote that Sister Catherine held the position of Superioress Of The North Presentation Convent from 1820 to 1826 and from 1829 to 1835. If true that would make her the leader of the convent at the age of twenty four!
The Annals of the North Presentation Convent reported that she was "well versed in Spanish, Greek, Latin, French and German." They also mention that in September 1834 there was the probability of Sister Catherine going to Charleston.
Dr. England had obtained from His Holiness, Pope Gregory XV1th, a Rescript, empowering him, without consulting the Ordinary (Dr. Murphy) or any other person, to transfer his Sister, Mother M. Catherine, to his Diocese in Charleston for the purpose of establishing our order (Presentation) there, but our Bishop objected and Dr. England made no further movement in the matter, though that was the principal object of his visit to Ireland.
The Presentation Sisters might not have gone to Charleston but some Ursuline nuns, after meeting with Bishop England, did. They arrived with him in Philadelphia on November 11th, 1834.
Sister Catherine became Superioress of the associated North Presentation convent in Cork again in 1838, aged 42, and on the 18th of May 1844 she resigned.[1]
Guilday[2] talked about a Mary being the sister of Bishop John but no record of baptism can be found for a Mary England with Thomas England and Honora Lordan as parents. Gwen England, in her family book, called this child Mary Elizabeth - so confusion all round!
Historical context
The Presentation Order of nuns was founded by Nano (Honora) Nagle who was born in Ballygriffin, near Killavullen. It is a teaching order and the nuns can still be found world-wide. Nano Nagle was declared Venerable by Pope Francis on the 31st October 2013.
Footnotes
[1] Information from the archives of the Presentation Order.
[2] Guilday Peter: Life and Times of John England, Volume 1, 1927
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Thomas and Honora England: Eighth Child...Richard England
Dates
1798 to ?
Parents
Thomas and Honora England
Children
?
Nothing is really known about Richard as there are no records linking Richard to Thomas and Honora except his baptism 8-3-1798 at St. Mary's Cork, sponsors: J [unclear] Finkney [unclear] and Mary Mahony.
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| St Mary's and St Anne's Cathedral today (very different in 1798) [Photo: William Murphy] |
Possible links to Richard
There is a possible connection to the townland of Bonagortbaun. An Ellen, Edward and Richard England were mentioned together in The Primary Valuation Of Tenants Residence 1853 in Bonagortbaun which is in the parish of Bourney, Tipperary. These names are also names of three of Thomas and Honora's children which is quite a coincidence. Ellen and Edward (born 1794) were twins remember, and Richard, as featured here, followed Elizabeth who became a nun. This leaves the three - Edward, Ellen and Richard - close together in age and needing to live by their own means.
If the three named in Bonagortbaun are Thomas and Honora's children it signifies a move to Tipperary away from Cork. This possible link to Tipperary might be significant as Guilday[1] says that Thomas hailed from Tipperary originally. We know Thomas had siblings but don't know anything about them - not even their names - so could this move signify a return to be near their Tipperary cousins? So far we have not been able to establish a clear link to any Tipperary Englands. [2]
A Margaret England was baptised on the 11-4-1824 at St. Audoen, Dublin. The father was a Richard England and the mother, a Cathne? [unclear] [Catherine?]
A Catherine Mary England was baptised on the 9-1-1833 at St. Mary’s, Dublin. The father was Richard England and the mother, Ellen Rafferty.
A Richard England had been appointed the Returning Officer of the Bandon Union in Ireland. [3]
We know of Bandon links to our line so this is a stronger possibility perhaps.
A Richard A. England was living at Shop St in Galway town. He was a tenant there but then became a landlord in Shantallow, Galway town.[4]
There are many newspaper references to a Colonel Richard England and a Sir Richard England. These are part of the 'Clare Englands' and Protestant, and no definite link has been established with them
Footnotes
1. Guilday Peter: Life and Times of John England, Volume 1, 1927
2. More information about this possible link to Bonagortbaun:
3 Southern Reporter, 6-4-1841
4 Griffiths Valuation, 1853
Place names
Bourney: a parish in county Tipperary, four and a half miles from Rosecrea.
Bandon: a town in County Cork. It is nineteen miles south west of Cork City.
A Richard England had been appointed the Returning Officer of the Bandon Union in Ireland. [3]
We know of Bandon links to our line so this is a stronger possibility perhaps.
A Richard A. England was living at Shop St in Galway town. He was a tenant there but then became a landlord in Shantallow, Galway town.[4]
There are many newspaper references to a Colonel Richard England and a Sir Richard England. These are part of the 'Clare Englands' and Protestant, and no definite link has been established with them
Footnotes
1. Guilday Peter: Life and Times of John England, Volume 1, 1927
2. More information about this possible link to Bonagortbaun:
- www.irelandxo.com/ireland-xo/message-board/searching-england-birr-co-offaly
- archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/irl-tipperary/2008-08/1218412023
- listsearches.rootsweb.com/th/read/IRL-TIPPERARY/2008-08/1218332987
3 Southern Reporter, 6-4-1841
4 Griffiths Valuation, 1853
Place names
Bourney: a parish in county Tipperary, four and a half miles from Rosecrea.
Bandon: a town in County Cork. It is nineteen miles south west of Cork City.
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