Thomas and Honora England: Ninth Child... Joseph England
Dates
22-3-1799 to ?
Parents
Thomas and Honora England
Children
?
Possible links to Joseph
On the sixth of November 1850 there was a headline in the Cork Examiner.
Irish Manufacture.
"The Society held their weekly meeting on Monday evening. New Members: Mr Fletcher proposed the admission of the following gentlemen as members of the association: Joseph England, Patrick Street."
Three years later a Joseph and Edward England wanted to sign a petition against the extension of the Income Tax to Ireland.[1]
In 1854 a Joseph England was elected for the North West Ward, Cork.[2]
In 1856 a Joseph England of Ballyorban House, Monkstown, Douglas, married Mary Lawlor of Castle Lands, Carrickrohban.[3] If this was the Joseph he married late or married more than once. Perhaps this might have been the son.
In the same year a Joseph England had failed in his contract to complete the construction of a road leading from Cork to Carrigaline between Ballyorban House East and Old Court. He requested more time for its completion. The Grand Jury agreed to give him until Christmas.[4] It was reported on the sixth of March 1857 in the same paper that he failed to deliver!
In 1857 on the 18th of May a son was born to a Joseph England, Esq, Sydenham Terrace, Monkstown.[5]
In 1859 a Joseph England, not from Monkstown, gave up being a dairy farmer and auctioned his cows, heifers, calves and bulls. It was an unreserved auction and his farm – Hollyhill Farm - was at the back of Blarney Lane,"near the Cork Fair Field and within one mile of the city gaol."[6]
In The Southern Reporter, 19-1-1861, there was the headline:
Auction of Cattle, Outside Car etc. which involved the sale of a number of heifers, a brown harness horse and a Dublin made outside car. A Joseph England was selling them at Granabraher, near Blarney Lane. He also indicated that he would hire out seven and a half acres of prime land either for meadowing, grazing or potatoes.
A Joseph England, tobacco manufacturer, of Ballyorban House, Cork was made a bankrupt on 8-3-1861.He owned 143 acres of land and "a very commodious dwelling house." The house was, " lately erected on said lands which are situated within a convenient distance from the Rochestown station of the Cork, Blackrock and Passage railway, and also from the town of Passage." [7]
A Joseph England died on the 31-1-1868 and was buried at St Joseph’s Cemetery, Cork in an England family grave. The owner of the grave was John England, Bank Place, Killmallock. Grave stone erected by their loving children.
Other Englands buried in the same grave were:
Mary Josephine England (child) who died on the 24-12-1884.
Elizabeth England of Derby Cottage, Blackrock, who died on the 22-4-1916 aged fifty three.
Joseph Mary England who died on the 2-1-1928 aged forty.
Isabel England who died on the 2-2-1988 aged ninety two at Derbyshire Cottage Hospital. Her home address was 13, Tusher Avenue, Derbyshire, England.[8]
John England, son of the late Joseph England of Ballyorban married ‘Tiny’ on August 13th 1885 at the cathedral in Thurles. The celebrant was the Rev. John Hallinan. Tiny was the youngest daughter of the late Joseph Cagney, Glenfield, Kilmallock.[9]
Footnotes
[1] The Southern Reporter, 3-5-1853
[2] Southern Reporter, 6-4-1854
[3] Southern Reporter,23-6-1856
[4] Southern Reporter, 25-7-1856
[5] Cork Examiner, 25-5-1857
[6] Southern Reporter, 12-10-1859
[7] Cork Examiner, 15-3-1861
[8] See the chapter on ‘Various Englands.’
[9] As above
Place names
Patrick St: the main shopping street in Cork and it was reported in the Southern Reporter of the 12-11-1853 that the Englands had a tobacconists at 1, St Patrick St.
Ballyorban: part of the village of Monkstown. It is very close to Douglas and Carrigaline.
Monkstown: a village in County Cork nine miles south east of Cork city. It is in the suburb of Douglas.
Douglas: a suburb of Cork city and it straddles the boundary between Cork City and County Cork.
Castlelands: overlooks the River Bandon, south of Kinsale, County Cork.
Carrigaline: part of the village of Monkstown. It is very close to Ballyorban.
Granabraher/Gurranbraher: to the north of Sunday’s Well, Cork.
Rochestown: a parish situated between Passage West and Douglas. It is about five miles south east of Cork and four miles west of Passage West.
Kilmallock: a town in County Limerick near the border with County Cork. Cork city is forty four miles away.
Thurles: a town in County Tipperary about seventy two miles north east of Cork.
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Dates:
1801 to 15-10-1827
Parents
Thomas and Honora England
Children
None
Facts known
Joanna was baptised on 4-4-1801 at St Mary's Cork. Her sponsors were Edmund Mahony and Mary Barry.
Shortly after his consecration as a Bishop, John England recorded in his Diurnal of the 10th of October 1820.
"I left my native city, Cork, in the afternoon, accompanied by my sister Joanna, who gave me £300 pounds to proceed." [to America]
Joanna Monica (1801 –1827) accompanied the Bishop to Charleston, USA in 1820. There, she became editor of a page in the United States Catholic Miscellany as well as contributing regular translations from authors in foreign languages. Apparently, her influence on the contents was substantial.
She died of yellow fever on the 15-10-1827.[2] The Charleston Courier said of her.
"Pious without pretension; religious without bigotry; learned without pedantry; dignified without pretension."[3]
There were many other tributes. In The Southern Reporter for example:
Historical context:
22-3-1799 to ?
Parents
Thomas and Honora England
Children
?
Joseph:
He was baptised in St Mary's, Cork City, Cork 22-3-1799 with Thomas and Honora present as well as two sponsors. Unfortunately the original record is so distressed that both sponsors' names are unclear.Possible links to Joseph
On the sixth of November 1850 there was a headline in the Cork Examiner.
Irish Manufacture.
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| St Patrick's Street, Cork probably late C19th [via www.corkcity.ie] |
"The Society held their weekly meeting on Monday evening. New Members: Mr Fletcher proposed the admission of the following gentlemen as members of the association: Joseph England, Patrick Street."
Three years later a Joseph and Edward England wanted to sign a petition against the extension of the Income Tax to Ireland.[1]
In 1854 a Joseph England was elected for the North West Ward, Cork.[2]
In 1856 a Joseph England of Ballyorban House, Monkstown, Douglas, married Mary Lawlor of Castle Lands, Carrickrohban.[3] If this was the Joseph he married late or married more than once. Perhaps this might have been the son.
In the same year a Joseph England had failed in his contract to complete the construction of a road leading from Cork to Carrigaline between Ballyorban House East and Old Court. He requested more time for its completion. The Grand Jury agreed to give him until Christmas.[4] It was reported on the sixth of March 1857 in the same paper that he failed to deliver!
In 1857 on the 18th of May a son was born to a Joseph England, Esq, Sydenham Terrace, Monkstown.[5]
In 1859 a Joseph England, not from Monkstown, gave up being a dairy farmer and auctioned his cows, heifers, calves and bulls. It was an unreserved auction and his farm – Hollyhill Farm - was at the back of Blarney Lane,"near the Cork Fair Field and within one mile of the city gaol."[6]
In The Southern Reporter, 19-1-1861, there was the headline:
Auction of Cattle, Outside Car etc. which involved the sale of a number of heifers, a brown harness horse and a Dublin made outside car. A Joseph England was selling them at Granabraher, near Blarney Lane. He also indicated that he would hire out seven and a half acres of prime land either for meadowing, grazing or potatoes.
A Joseph England, tobacco manufacturer, of Ballyorban House, Cork was made a bankrupt on 8-3-1861.He owned 143 acres of land and "a very commodious dwelling house." The house was, " lately erected on said lands which are situated within a convenient distance from the Rochestown station of the Cork, Blackrock and Passage railway, and also from the town of Passage." [7]
A Joseph England died on the 31-1-1868 and was buried at St Joseph’s Cemetery, Cork in an England family grave. The owner of the grave was John England, Bank Place, Killmallock. Grave stone erected by their loving children.
Other Englands buried in the same grave were:
Mary Josephine England (child) who died on the 24-12-1884.
Elizabeth England of Derby Cottage, Blackrock, who died on the 22-4-1916 aged fifty three.
Joseph Mary England who died on the 2-1-1928 aged forty.
Isabel England who died on the 2-2-1988 aged ninety two at Derbyshire Cottage Hospital. Her home address was 13, Tusher Avenue, Derbyshire, England.[8]
John England, son of the late Joseph England of Ballyorban married ‘Tiny’ on August 13th 1885 at the cathedral in Thurles. The celebrant was the Rev. John Hallinan. Tiny was the youngest daughter of the late Joseph Cagney, Glenfield, Kilmallock.[9]
Footnotes
[1] The Southern Reporter, 3-5-1853
[2] Southern Reporter, 6-4-1854
[3] Southern Reporter,23-6-1856
[4] Southern Reporter, 25-7-1856
[5] Cork Examiner, 25-5-1857
[6] Southern Reporter, 12-10-1859
[7] Cork Examiner, 15-3-1861
[8] See the chapter on ‘Various Englands.’
[9] As above
Place names
Patrick St: the main shopping street in Cork and it was reported in the Southern Reporter of the 12-11-1853 that the Englands had a tobacconists at 1, St Patrick St.
Ballyorban: part of the village of Monkstown. It is very close to Douglas and Carrigaline.
Monkstown: a village in County Cork nine miles south east of Cork city. It is in the suburb of Douglas.
Douglas: a suburb of Cork city and it straddles the boundary between Cork City and County Cork.
Castlelands: overlooks the River Bandon, south of Kinsale, County Cork.
Carrigaline: part of the village of Monkstown. It is very close to Ballyorban.
Granabraher/Gurranbraher: to the north of Sunday’s Well, Cork.
Rochestown: a parish situated between Passage West and Douglas. It is about five miles south east of Cork and four miles west of Passage West.
Kilmallock: a town in County Limerick near the border with County Cork. Cork city is forty four miles away.
Thurles: a town in County Tipperary about seventy two miles north east of Cork.
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Thomas and Honora England:Tenth Child ... Joanna Monica
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| [England family collection] |
1801 to 15-10-1827
Parents
Thomas and Honora England
Children
None
Facts known
Joanna was baptised on 4-4-1801 at St Mary's Cork. Her sponsors were Edmund Mahony and Mary Barry.
Shortly after his consecration as a Bishop, John England recorded in his Diurnal of the 10th of October 1820.
"I left my native city, Cork, in the afternoon, accompanied by my sister Joanna, who gave me £300 pounds to proceed." [to America]
Joanna Monica (1801 –1827) accompanied the Bishop to Charleston, USA in 1820. There, she became editor of a page in the United States Catholic Miscellany as well as contributing regular translations from authors in foreign languages. Apparently, her influence on the contents was substantial.
She had a wonderful influence on his [Bishop John] life. Nowhere was this sway more sublimely exercised than in the conduct of the Miscellany. The Bishop's earnest temper sometimes unconsciously infused a sternness into his logic. Her gentleness smoothed away the harshness of his chief controversial articles. Frequently he rebelled at her censorship, but she was never perturbed on such occasions. She would use a few words of persuasion and invariably he yielded to her gentle jurisdiction. Her presence always shed over him a magic charm which was fatal to all opposition on his part. Her elegant literary taste governed in a large measure the literary department of the Miscellany and several of her contributions graced the pages of its earlier volumes.[1]
She died of yellow fever on the 15-10-1827.[2] The Charleston Courier said of her.
"Pious without pretension; religious without bigotry; learned without pedantry; dignified without pretension."[3]
There were many other tributes. In The Southern Reporter for example:
An accomplished, young, and lovely sister had left the ocean breezes of her own green isle and all the endearments and comforts of her home to minister to this idolized brother in the deadly swamps of Carolina.She was buried in the crypt of what is now the St John the Baptist's Cathedral, Charleston. Her brother was also buried there together with four other Bishops who succeeded him. This makes her burial there remarkable. The cathedral was destroyed by fire in 1861 and the present one was built on its foundations.[5]
... God had sent an angel to assist his [Bishop John’s] labours and cheer him for a time. She threw her little fortune into his poverty stricken institutions...Her feminine tact would smooth away whatever harshness his earnest temper might unconsciously infuse into his controversial writings.
Her presence shed a magic charm around his humble dwelling and made it the envied resort of the talented, the beautiful and gay. [4]
Historical context:
The United States Catholic Miscellany:
was founded by the first child, John England, Bishop of Charleston,
USA. It was the first Catholic Journal to be published in America.
Yellow Fever: Like malaria, yellow fever is transmitted by mosquitoes and was one of the most dreaded diseases in South Carolina during the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries. Its name derives from one of its common symptoms, a jaundice produced by the virus's attacks on the liver. Other symptoms include high fever, vomiting, convulsions, severe body aches and bleeding from various parts of the body. Victims often die of kidney failure but patients who survive are then immune. Another name for the disease was 'strangers' disease. Between the 1790s and 1850s Charleston had numerous epidemics. The victims were primarily white 'strangers,' immigrants, travellers and children. Few natives of Charleston died from the disease. For further information see:
www.scencyclopedia.org/sce/
Footnotes
Yellow Fever: Like malaria, yellow fever is transmitted by mosquitoes and was one of the most dreaded diseases in South Carolina during the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries. Its name derives from one of its common symptoms, a jaundice produced by the virus's attacks on the liver. Other symptoms include high fever, vomiting, convulsions, severe body aches and bleeding from various parts of the body. Victims often die of kidney failure but patients who survive are then immune. Another name for the disease was 'strangers' disease. Between the 1790s and 1850s Charleston had numerous epidemics. The victims were primarily white 'strangers,' immigrants, travellers and children. Few natives of Charleston died from the disease. For further information see:
www.scencyclopedia.org/sce/
Footnotes
[1] Dr Paul Foik, C.S.C. Pioneer Efforts pg 16 quoted by Guilday in - The life and Times of Bishop England.
[2] Charleston, South Carolina Death Records.
[3] Quoted in the Bandon Parish Bulletin.
[4] The Southern Reporter, 11-8-1842
[5] charlestoncathedral.com
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Dates:
1805 to ?
Parents:
Thomas and Honora England
Children:
?
James England was baptized on 2-8-1805 at St Mary's, Cork. His sponsors were William Quin? [unclear] and Mary Reagan? He was not mentioned in Guilday’s [1] book where the other 10 children are recorded. There are no other records for James and nothing in newspapers or censuses that clearly relate to him as son of Thomas and Honora and brother of Bishop England. He may well have died young but we have found no death record for him. We have no idea if he survived long enough to move within Ireland or go abroad. He is another mystery.
Possible Links to James.
A James England died 22-5-1846 in Cork.
"Deaths: A Mr James England of Cork, accountant, truly honest man."[2]
A James England was the chairman of The Trades of Clonmel.[3] This is the county town of County Tipperary. It is also the largest town in the county.
A James England, town councillor, signed a petition to the mayor objecting to the Nunneries Bill of 1853. This piece of legislation wanted Nunneries inspected! A Michael Barry signed it too.[4]
Historical context
Lack of Irish Records
You may have noticed that it is often the baptism dates rather than the birth dates that are given for many of these early Englands from Ireland. This is because many of the early official government records were destroyed in the Irish Civil War. In 1922 the Public Records Office in Dublin was burned down. Luckily many Irish church records have increasingly been digitised over the years and prove a valuable resource. However, many still remain to be done and so these may prove useful resources in the future when searches might reveal more records that can be linked to our family.
May 2020 - Possible Connection
A relative, Carol Jones, has brought to our attention that a James England married Anne O'Shea (1808-1881) on the 15-9-1823 in Ireland and moved to Runcorn, Cheshire. Their six children were: John born abt 1826 Runcorn Cheshire, Ellen/Helen 22-9-1829, Place? Mary England abt 1836, Runcorn, Cheshire, James England, Runcorn, Cheshire, 1836, Elizabeth England abt 1842, Sutton, (St Helens) Lancashire, Thomas England abt 1844 at St Helens, Lancashire.
Census James England: 1841: Prescot, Lancashire.
1851: Eccleston, Lancashire, Head of Household.
1861: Eccleston, Lancashire, Head of Household.
1871: St Helens, Boarder
1881: Windle, Lancashire, Father-in-Law to Head of Household
Anne O'Shea died in April 1881 and James died in January 1883.
Footnotes
[1] Guilday Peter: Life and Times of John England, Volume 1, 1927,
[2] Clare Journal, 25-5-1846
[3] United Irishman, 8-4-1848
[4] Cork Examiner, 15-6-1853
[2] Charleston, South Carolina Death Records.
[3] Quoted in the Bandon Parish Bulletin.
[4] The Southern Reporter, 11-8-1842
[5] charlestoncathedral.com
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Thomas and Honora England:Eleventh Child ... James
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| Cork City Coat of Arms [via National Inventory of Architectural Heritage (NIAH)] |
Dates:
1805 to ?
Parents:
Thomas and Honora England
Children:
?
James England was baptized on 2-8-1805 at St Mary's, Cork. His sponsors were William Quin? [unclear] and Mary Reagan? He was not mentioned in Guilday’s [1] book where the other 10 children are recorded. There are no other records for James and nothing in newspapers or censuses that clearly relate to him as son of Thomas and Honora and brother of Bishop England. He may well have died young but we have found no death record for him. We have no idea if he survived long enough to move within Ireland or go abroad. He is another mystery.
Possible Links to James.
A James England died 22-5-1846 in Cork.
"Deaths: A Mr James England of Cork, accountant, truly honest man."[2]
A James England was the chairman of The Trades of Clonmel.[3] This is the county town of County Tipperary. It is also the largest town in the county.
A James England, town councillor, signed a petition to the mayor objecting to the Nunneries Bill of 1853. This piece of legislation wanted Nunneries inspected! A Michael Barry signed it too.[4]
Historical context
Lack of Irish Records
You may have noticed that it is often the baptism dates rather than the birth dates that are given for many of these early Englands from Ireland. This is because many of the early official government records were destroyed in the Irish Civil War. In 1922 the Public Records Office in Dublin was burned down. Luckily many Irish church records have increasingly been digitised over the years and prove a valuable resource. However, many still remain to be done and so these may prove useful resources in the future when searches might reveal more records that can be linked to our family.
May 2020 - Possible Connection
A relative, Carol Jones, has brought to our attention that a James England married Anne O'Shea (1808-1881) on the 15-9-1823 in Ireland and moved to Runcorn, Cheshire. Their six children were: John born abt 1826 Runcorn Cheshire, Ellen/Helen 22-9-1829, Place? Mary England abt 1836, Runcorn, Cheshire, James England, Runcorn, Cheshire, 1836, Elizabeth England abt 1842, Sutton, (St Helens) Lancashire, Thomas England abt 1844 at St Helens, Lancashire.
Census James England: 1841: Prescot, Lancashire.
1851: Eccleston, Lancashire, Head of Household.
1861: Eccleston, Lancashire, Head of Household.
1871: St Helens, Boarder
1881: Windle, Lancashire, Father-in-Law to Head of Household
Anne O'Shea died in April 1881 and James died in January 1883.
Footnotes
[1] Guilday Peter: Life and Times of John England, Volume 1, 1927,
[2] Clare Journal, 25-5-1846
[3] United Irishman, 8-4-1848
[4] Cork Examiner, 15-6-1853
